Phoenix FM Interview Ben About The National Lottery

92.5 Phoenix FMBen was interviewed today by Sean Lawlor of Phoenix FM. Sean took an interest in People For Economic Justice when the video Constitution Halts Sheriff went viral on the internet earlier this year. Over the course of the interview Sean and Ben discuss the grossly inappropriate behaviour by KPMG. They discuss The National Lottery’s apparent lack of concern regarding this behaviour. They discuss the banking crisis in general. They discuss mortgage arrears and those dealing with them.

Also discussed is Direct Democracy Ireland. Direct Democracy is a political policy that allows citizens of an applicable country to call for a referendum at any time, on any topic, by simply gathering enough signatures of citizens who wish to see such a referendum commence. This was a power granted to the Irish people in the first version of the Irish Constitution: Bunreacht Na hÉireann. This was removed from the Constitution (without a referendum) in the early years of the Irish Freestate. It is currently operated in Switzerland to great effect.

The Interview With Phoenix FM

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We would like to thank Sean and Phoenix FM for his interest, professionalism and for his helping to spread People For Economic Justice’s message. It is a pity KPMG and The National Lottery opted not to comment on the topic on air. Phoenix FM attempted to contact both at the same time as he contacted People For Economic Justice. They received a very short response from The National Lottery:

Hi Sean,
Many thanks for your email.
The National Lottery will not be commenting on this matter.
Kind regards,

Eleanor did not give her title or position so we are uncertain as to what department of The National Lottery she represents. KPMG declined to respond.

Source: Phoenix FM, Listen to more of their interviews here.

First Response From The National Lottery

Many of you will be aware that on September 9th, People For Economic Justice dispatched a letter to Ireland’s National Lottery, highlighting to them our concerns in regards to their use of KPMG as their independent auditors. Today we received a less than illuminating response from them. You can find the responses below, along with a scanning of each of the actual letters involved. If you haven’t read our original letter to the National Lottery, we suggest you do so before continuing.

The National Lottery’s First Response:

19th September
Mr. Ben Gilroy
People For Economic Justice,
28 Riverview,
Athlumney Abbey,
Co. Meath 

Dear Mr Gilroy,

First Response From The National Lottery

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Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to the National Lottery’s independent auditors, KPMG.

The company KPMG were appointed as independent auditors for the National Lottery through a public procurement process. In accordance with public procurement guidelines the invitation to tender for this contract were advertised on It was open to interested auditing companies in the European Union. KPMG was selected as the most economically advantageous tender of those received. The National Lottery has entered into a contract with KPMG for its services. Our relationships with all of our suppliers are governed by contractual terms. KPMG has consistently met all of their contractual obligations to the National Lottery.

I understand from your letter that you are dissatisfied in your dealings with KPMG and would suggest that you contact KPMG directly to convey your concerns.

Yours sincerely

Declan Harrington
Head of Finance 

It doesn’t take much to notice a few problems with the above response. Firstly (we are by no means disappointed that someone of authority in The National Lottery dealt with the letter) the letter was not address to Declan Harrington, but to Dermot Griffin, the Chief Executive Officer of The National Lottery. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the response above does not address a single concern raised in our original letter. Our response below will hopefully correct these issues, and more.

Our First Reply To The National Lottery

Mr Declan Harrington
Cc: Mr Dermot Griffin
National Lottery,
Abbey Street Lower,
Dublin 1
20th September 2012

Dear Declan,

Our First Reply To The National Lottery

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Thank you for your prompt reply. I must say that it was quite a cold corporate response to what was a true human tragic concern of one of the causes of suicide. I was a bit disappointed that Mr Griffin, to whom the letter was addressed, couldn’t take time to reply to the concerns raised by the many people around the country.

Declan, as head of finance, I’m not really sure why the grave concerns of a growing number of discontented people around the country should fall in your remit. While I don’t want to seem ungrateful for a reply I wasn’t asking anything about your finances.

Your letter describes the way on tenders for the position that KPMG now hold. My letter merely complained of who they are and the practices they conduct around the country. The letter states that you have a contract with KPMG and they meet their contractual obligations. The inference is taken that once they do what they are paid to do, it is of no concern to your company what they do or how they act to your customers the length and breadth of the country. I am reminded of the legal maxim “He who contracts, knows, or ought to know, the quality of the person with whom he contracts, otherwise he is not excusable”.

Perhaps in the future your company will choose more wisely, when contract with companies like KPMG, and won’t only consider the most “economically advantageous” company, because in the long run, they may turn out to be the most costly, for all of us. 

Update From The National Lottery?

As of Saturday 24th of February 2018 The National Lottery have yet to respond. We will post the update as a new article if and when it arrives.

A Letter We Are Sending To The National Lottery

Ben Gilroy and People For Economic Justice are about to dispatch the following letter to Dermot Griffin, Chief Executive Officer of The National Lottery. The letter is in regards to their use of KPMG as their advisers/accountants.

Mr Dermot Griffin CEO
National Lottery,
Abbey Street Lower,
Dublin 1.
09 September 2012

Dear Sir,

I would like to make it known to you and your organisation of the absolute disgust that people all over the country portray to us in regards to the National Lottery. The source of this comes from your decision to have KPMG as your advisers/accountants. I am not sure if you know but KPMG are one of the most aggressive receivers in this country. There seems to be no reasoning with them and I have personally attended meetings with their agents to try come to some sort of reasonable solution that may be acceptable to the bank. I have always found them aggressive and not tuned in to the desperation of the person whose business is failing. When I asked one of their agents, at a meeting in KPMG head office, about a duty of care to the business owner, his reply was “I don’t give a toss about my duty of care”. I must say I was disgusted with this attitude. (Audio recording of meeting available). KPMG are moving in on farms and businesses all over the country.

With banking fraud, greed and deception rife, and the eventual forcing of the good people of this State, to bail out the very banks and bankers, who now show no remorse or their agents KPMG showing even less. It galls the Irish people to see them now involved with the Lotto, which is largely recognised as doing good work.

The Samaritans organization has told the papers that help-lines are under pressure with the massive volume of calls. They take one call every five seconds; every 57 seconds someone calls the Samaritans with suicidal feelings. The majority of callers are men in their 30s as the recession deepens. Ireland’s suicide rate now stands at a shocking 600 deaths per year – and experts believe the figure is rising as the country experiences the pain of recession. A well-orchestrated recession I might add.

The National Suicide Research Foundation’s Director Paul Corcoran said: “The findings are not a coincidence. There is clear evidence that the recession has impacted on the rate of suicidal behaviour in Ireland.
I now ask you on behalf of People for Economic Justice to terminate all contact with these vultures who hover over the carcasses of dying businesses that their employers helped to poison and kill, while KPMG seem intent on finishing off the owners.

Awaiting your reply

Ben Gilroy

Update From The National Lottery?

The National Lottery responded on September 20th. Please find the response and our subsequent reply, here.